Josie Pagani—Age is not your identity

December 17, 2021

We see the memes everywhere—Boomers have wrecked the world, Millennials are entitled snowflakes, Gen Z are the hope for the future, and wait… who are Gen X again? This year’s Flint & Steel is all about the perceived conflict between the generations. We are confronted with the difficulties of generational leadership change. We wrestle with the challenge of bicultural education, and embrace the riches of whakapapa.

Our hope is that as you read through this year’s edition of Flint & Steel, you’ll see past superficial disputes. You will reach across the chasm of the years, and realise the generational divide isn’t as wide as advertised, nor as shattering.

In this podcast Communications Officer Jason Heale sits down with Executive Director Tim Wilson, and contributing author Josie Pagani to discuss the difficulty that comes with having age as your identity. The discussion ranges from The BBC to Duran Duran, and pacific rites of passage.

You can read Josie’s entire article, and buy the full issue of Flint & Steel at

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